.. ther country…” ” If the colonies are left to themselves, it is probable that Great Britain will succeed in conquering and subjugating them…” ” If we accede to the desires of the colonies, supposing that the assistance we accord them will be sufficient, it appears that the following advantages must result: first, the powers of England will be diminished and ours will increase in proportions: second, her commerce will be irreparably damaged, while ours will be increased: third, it is very probable that as a result of these events we could recover a part of the possessions which the English took from us in America, such as fisheries of Newfoundland, the Gulf of St Lawrence, Isle Royale, and ect. One does not speak of Canada…” The “Reflexions” also pointed out the aid which the Americans needed and ways in which they could be provided. Things they knew the Americans had were clothes, men, and weapons. They also knew that the Americans had good leaders and that they were well disciplined and that they shared a common goal for Independence. Now the things the French thought that the Americans needed were military supplies, money, and a ready navy.
As time went by the French really didn’t play an active role in the American Revolution. They played more of the man behind the scenes role of just supplying the Americans with what they needed. But in August of 1776 the French decided that it was time to take a more active role in the American Revolution. But still Vengennes had some trouble convincing the French Government an the Spanish Government that they should take a more active role in the American Revolution. Vengenes was afraid that the French was not taking advantage of a great opportunity in front of them and that they would not get another like this one.
He appealed to the government that if they didn’t act at that time then the British might grant the Americans their independence so that the Americans would team up with them and fight the themselves(the French). When it came to the Spanish they agreed to keep paying in secret to help the Americans, but they did not believe it was time to recognize the Americans independence. At first the French were not going to get involved in the active part of the revolution unless the Spanish did also, but the opportunity before them was so great that the decided that they could not pass it up. So they decided to sign the treaties with the Americans even without the Spanish. The treaties signed were those of two agreements. One of them being a tr4eaty for amity and commerce and the other being a treaty of Alliance.
Also along with signing these treaties the French still wanted Spain to be active in the revolution, so they ask and got a secret clause in each onr of the treaties. This clause said that Spain could join the revolution in an active way when they saw fit. So on February 6, 1778, Franklin, Deane, Lee, and Gerard signed three treaties, the first being the treaty of amity and commerce, the second being the treaty of alliance, and the third being the treaty that allowed Spain to join in when they saw fit. So now it is time for the French to get involved and for the most part that was a good advantage for the Americans. But there was some draw backs, as when ” Lieutenant General D’Estaing’s expeditionary force of 12 ships of the line and 4 frigates, carrying four thousand soldiers, arrived off the Delaware Capes on July 8, 1778.”(The France and American War for Independence) There arrival was a little late to catch Howe and his British fleet. D’Estaing went after Howe but at the New York Harbor D’Estaing fleet drew to much water and couldn’t get across the bar.
Washington tried to help, but after a while D’Estaing gave up and him and Washington agreed that it would be best for D’Estaing to sail to Newport, Rhode Island, to fight three thousand troops led by General Pigot. This was suppose to be a joint operation between D’Estaing and American Generals Sullivan, Lafayette, and Greene who between them had around 10,000 troops. the fight at Newport went great , eventhough the communication between D’Estaing and Sullivan was not good at all. D’Estaing was very annoyed at Sullivan after the battle in Newport, but he agreed to stay and continue the operation. Just as D’Estaing started to get his troops off the ships Howe showed up and D’Estaing went after him, which ended up being disastrous for D’Estaing. D’Estaing and Howe fought for a while and then they were caught in the middle of the storm, which did much more damage than the fighting did. Both D’Estaing and Howe’s fleet was scattered and Howe left and just when Sullivan was ready to attack D’Estaing decided he needed to go back to Boston to get his fleet back together. With this move D’Estaing was blamed by the Americans for the failure of the expedition.
His decision also caused a riot in Boston and John Hancock and Lafayette tried to control or stop the riot and succeed but not before a French Naval officer was killed. As the War went on the French and the Americans got on the same page and with a little luck the Americans won their Independence. But to make it official they had to sign treaties that satisfied all parties. But the only thing that all three of them could agree upon is that of the Americans Independence and about the expansionist ambitions of their infant country. In the Treaty between the Americans and New England, the British had a hidden agenda. They wanted to offer the Americans a treaty so good that it would cause a conflict between the Americans and the French.
But this was hard to do considering what the Americans wanted, which was Canada, Florida, and Newfoundland’s fisheries, but what they wanted most of all was their independence. By Nov. 30, 1782 the Americans and the British came to an agreement without informing France. The treaty didn’t go into effect until France signed a treaty with Great Britain also. When Vengennes found out about this he really wasn’t surprised, but he also wasn’t happy.
Vengennes was disappointed on the terms the treaty was signed and that it was done behind the French’s back. Franklin let Vengennes know that the British was trying to separate themselves and the French and that they should try to prove them wrong. So France kept the terms of their first treaty and kept supporting the Americans. One way in which they kept supporting the Americans was by giving the Americans their first installment of a six million livre loan. Eventually all parties signed the Treaty of Versailles and the most important attribute rung around the world and that is the Independence of the Americans.